Hi folks,

Can anyone tell me if the underframe panels on the P-train are mirrored from the opposite side or are different. Also can anyone provide me with any pictures of the underframes for each type of vehicle.
The reason for asking is that I am trying to draw the graphics required to produce etches for an 'N' gauge model of the P-train, and would like to get the detail correct, especially the vents and such. I've been in touch with a model parts company, and they have agreed that if I produce the graphics, they will produce the etches from them. Here's hoping I get it right.

Many thanks in advance,

Tim.
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>Virgin Trains and Pete Waterman's London & North Western Railway Company

have teamed up to start >restoration work on the world's first tilting
train this spring.<

As predicted by Paul.......

I should send Chris Green, the Virgin Press Office and Pete Waterman a copy
of 'APT- A promise unfulffilled'.

The world's first tilting train was POP train, but unfortunately I don't
think it exists any more. The world's SECOND tilting train is alive (and
not very well) and living in York.

Regards
Kit

Hi Kit,

With ref to the book, is it possible to get a copy of this from anywhere?

Regards,

Tim.
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-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 09 April 2002 14:01
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Subject: [APT Group] World's first tilting train?

>Virgin Trains and Pete Waterman's London & North Western Railway Company

have teamed up to start >restoration work on the world's first tilting
train this spring.<

As predicted by Paul.......

I should send Chris Green, the Virgin Press Office and Pete Waterman a copy
of 'APT- A promise unfulffilled'.

The world's first tilting train was POP train, but unfortunately I don't
think it exists any more. The world's SECOND tilting train is alive (and
not very well) and living in York.

Regards
Kit





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>With ref to the book, is it possible to get a copy of this from anywhere?

You read my mind- that is just what was going to ask!! I may have to resort
to ordering it from the library and either photocopying it or scanning it.
(Not that I advocate breaching copyright laws mind.... giggle)


Hugs
Natalie
xxx

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You lot should be so lucky, I had to search for 8 years until I got
a crisp copy, and not at the £8.95 price tag.

To say thet book is as rare as rockinghorse poo would be an
understatement.

Book searches, seconds book shops, I tried them all. I did get a
very grubby copy a few years ago, but I read it to death.

I ever contacted Hugh Williams the writer of the book, and had no
luck.

In the end it was a internet book search company who came up with
the goods.

If your into the APT, or just want a very good read about the
project, you need the APT bible, APT - A Promise Unfulfilled .

Regards

Paul

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> You read my mind- that is just

what was going to ask!! I may have to resort

> to ordering it from the

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Tim wrote...

> I've been in touch with a model parts company, and
> they have agreed that if I produce the graphics,
> they will produce the etches from them
>

Tim would these etches be a one off or a commercial
kit. Either way would third parties be able to buy be
able to buy them? I'd be very keen.

regards
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> think it exists any more. The world's SECOND tilting
> train is alive (and
> not very well) and living in York.

Cheer up Kit, the tent is up now! and PC2 will have a
new cab floor by next month, earlier if Len has
anything to do with it.

regards

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I thought you might! :)
I believe that I will get the first run, and then the rights to the etch become the property of the guy paying for them. This is BH Enterprises, so I would guess that they will become available, as he will want to recoup his money.

I'll let you know what happens when I find out.

Cheers,

Tim
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Tim wrote...

> I've been in touch with a model parts company, and
> they have agreed that if I produce the graphics,
> they will produce the etches from them
>

Tim would these etches be a one off or a commercial
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I am delighted to see that the APT-P is going to get some more restoration
work.

Please let me know when the all important date is.

I would love to be part of the event.

It's such a shame that the APT-E is not going to get a similar offer.

Regards

Andrew

I was thinking that the Exhibition APT-P coach could be used to show the
development of tilting trains from their first inception to their current
use around the world and in the UK

Regards

Andrew

I totally agree Andrew, but at least we are now trying to do
something with E train to save it from destruction.

Just you wait while we get her to Shildon. We have some big plans
for her there, its just a question of pushing the NRM in the right
direction. Base ideas are :

PC1 turned into a MSTS Cab simulator, drive virtual E train in the
real thing.
TC1 display boards then through into the VIP lounge to watch E for
experimental.
Then into TC2, restored equipment and lighing, with real recordings
playing of the train crew over the intercom.

Then on special days, walk through PC2 and in its cab.

Either TC1,2 or PC2 may even tilt again , Im sure one of them "WILL"
tilt again if Kit has anything to do with it.

Restored bodywork and a new coat of paint.

Should look really good.

Well ,,,,,,thats what we are sort of hoping for, but only time will
tell.

Regards

Paul
APT-E Conservation & Support Group
--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@y..., "Andrew Walker"
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> I am delighted to see that the APT-P is going to get some more

restoration

> work.
>
> Please let me know when the all important date is.
>
> I would love to be part of the event.
>
> It's such a shame that the APT-E is not going to get a similar

offer.

>
> Regards
>
> Andrew

>Either TC1,2 or PC2 may even tilt again , Im sure one of them "WILL" tilt

again if Kit has anything to do with it.<

Wash your mouth out with hydraulic oil, Paul! <g>

May? What do you mean, MAY?????

Of COURSE at least one of them will tilt! As there's zero chance we can run
her under turbine power again at least we can make some bits move if the
tilt systems are restored. Favourite vehicle would be PC2, as it has the
best condition power car tilt pack at present, and getting the packs out of
either trailer car now would be a nightmare. We'd have to strip out the
bulkheads and the joint module access doors to remove them, so if we do
anything to them it will have to be in situ.

Funnily enough we were only chatting about exactly that on the phone
today as well. As I said then, it's not 100% necesarry that the original
tilt system work as it used to, we can make it tilt without using the
closed loop system, as long as the HSE doesn't get involved again of
course. We could simplify TC1 and TC2 systems to work like the TC2 demo
system did when it twas in the main hall.

Re. THE book. It was only printed once, Ian Allen have zero stocks and
neither does Hugh Williams.

However I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't re-print it, with the
current interest in tilting trains. As Paul says, it's the bible as far as
APT is concerned. Of course the fact that lots of my photos are in there
has NOTHING to do with that opinion of course.........

Regards
Kit

BBC North Yorkshire have posted a story about APT on their website

http://www.bbc.co.uk/northyorkshire/features/tilting_train/index.shtml


Best Wishes

Rob

Kit

I got a copy of Hugh's book last year by doing an Internet search. It was a second hand copy from a specialist bookshop, of course, and with increasing rarity and demand prices may go up!

With regard to Rob's message about the item on APT which BBC North Yorkshire have posted on their website

http://www.bbc.co.uk/northyorkshire/features/tilting_train/index.shtml

I received an e-mail from the guy who wrote it, just before it went up. He wants comments (". . . it's clear that there is quite strong feeling around the fate of the APT project so I am contacting a few people to see if there are any comments that would add to
the article . . .") so, when you have viewed it send your comments to me; I will collate them and pass them on.

Regards

Gerry

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On 10/04/02 at 17:53 Kit Spackman wrote:

>>Either TC1,2 or PC2 may even tilt again , Im sure one of them "WILL"
>tilt
>again if Kit has anything to do with it.<
>
>Wash your mouth out with hydraulic oil, Paul! <g>
>
>May? What do you mean, MAY?????
>
>Of COURSE at least one of them will tilt! As there's zero chance we can run
>her under turbine power again at least we can make some bits move if the
>tilt systems are restored. Favourite vehicle would be PC2, as it has the
>best condition power car tilt pack at present, and getting the packs out of
>either trailer car now would be a nightmare. We'd have to strip out the
>bulkheads and the joint module access doors to remove them, so if we do
>anything to them it will have to be in situ.
>
>Funnily enough we were only chatting about exactly that on the phone
>today as well. As I said then, it's not 100% necesarry that the original
>tilt system work as it used to, we can make it tilt without using the
>closed loop system, as long as the HSE doesn't get involved again of
>course. We could simplify TC1 and TC2 systems to work like the TC2 demo
>system did when it twas in the main hall.
>
>Re. THE book. It was only printed once, Ian Allen have zero stocks and
>neither does Hugh Williams.
>
>However I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't re-print it, with the
>current interest in tilting trains. As Paul says, it's the bible as far as
>APT is concerned. Of course the fact that lots of my photos are in there
>has NOTHING to do with that opinion of course.........
>
>Regards
>Kit
>
>
>
>
>
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Those of you who are interested in the fundamentals of high speed rail
travel might be interested in an article in the current (May.........)
issue of 'entrain' magazine.

It's by Colin Boocock (not to be confused with David Boocock who was CME on
the P Train) and concerns the wheel-rail interface. It's not over technical
and provides a good insight into how rail wheels and rails interact to
steer the train. APT only gets one mention, and the word 'tilt' only occurs
twice, and Alan Wickens DOESN'T get a mention by name, but apart tfrom
that it's prettty good.

Regards
Kit

Attachments :

Andy,

>Seen here on 'Super Voyager' 221 104 - Danger! Tilting train.<

Was it tilting at the time? And where?

I'd quite like to see a Super Voyager, as it has the nearest thing to an
APT-P tilt system we're likely to have in UK for a while yet.

Regards
Kit

Hi everyone

Don't wear it if you have a hangover!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1098276282

Nick

>Don't wear it if you have a hangover!<

But you can't see it if you're wearing it! It's them OTHERS who don't need
the hangover! <g>

I've got two already anyway. ......

If you REALLY want to go corss-eyed get the ladies APT Scarf, same pattern
as the tie and about 18" square! Mind boggling!

Regards
Kit

The following is a letter sent to the Crewe & Nantwich Guardian in
response to their story of the Repaint of APT-P...

See

http://www.thisischeshire.co.uk/cheshire/crewe/letters/

and send your reply to the newspaper via the link there...

Rob

**********************************************************************


Tilt train is waste of space and should go
Re: 'VIRGIN' TILT TRAIN, Guardian 18.4.02

THIS train should not be where it is, Crewe in particular.

It is an affront to the memory and honour of the men who made Crewe
what it
was and now is not; a railway town.

This train is a failure.

Rehabilitated aircraft designers who were involved in a failed
military
aircraft project designed it.

It was not and is not anything to do with Crewe, its history or its
craftsmen.

It diverted vast amounts of finance and prospects from true rail
needs.

When rail operators were invited to see it unveiled for inspection the
detractions were evident and numerous.

It was at best an exercise by others outside the industry; their best
but
not good enough.

We now buy from abroad.

It got nowhere but here, GET RID OF IT. Plant trees.


An ex-railway man

>Rehabilitated aircraft designers who were involved in a failed military

aircraft project designed it.<

I note the writer didn't have the balls to append his name, did he?

Personally I've never been an aircraft designer, although I once wanted to
be, and never had anything to do with military aircraft projects, failed or
otherwise. Presumably this crank is referring to the TSR2, which was
anything but a failure on the part of it's designers, like APT it was
'failed' by the politicians.

Full marks for anyone who thought 'THIS will get Kit going.....'

Dead right!

Regards
Kit

Further to the above, I've just sent this to the newspaper over the quoted
link.

-----------------------------
Dear Sir,

I note 'ex Railway Mans' comments re the APT-P displayed at The Railway Age
in Crewe.

However he is wrong in his assumption that the APT there was designed by
'rehabilitated aircraft designers who were involved in failed military
aircraft projects'. While it true that SOME ex-aviation industry designers
took part in the whole APT project, the greater amount of work on the APT-P
was done by the CM&EE Dept in Derby, most of whom were railway industry
engineers. The project took its staff from all areas of engineering, I
myself coming from the motor industry, and used external expertise where
the 1970s' railway industry had little or no experience, to bring BR into
the forefornt of railway engineering at that time.

As to Britain now buying from abroad, it's educational to note that almost
all high speed railways world-wide use the wheel-rail technology developed
by the APT team during the 1970s. In addition, the Virgin Super Voyager
trains now
coming into service use tilt system technolgy directly attributable to that
developed for the APT-P.

If there must be negative comment attached to the APT project please direct
it to the same area that resulted in the previously mentioned 'failed'
military aircraft projects, our politicians, who never have the courage to
take a long term view of anything, especially if it involves engineering.

Yours faithfully
Kit Spackman
ex APT Tilt System Development Engineer
--------------------------------------------

Take that 'ex Railway Man'!

Regards
Kit

Go to Ebay and search by number for item 1725930732 and you'll
find "The Great Game of Britain" featuring P train on the box. Looks
like the game pieces are the BR double arrow logo.

That Ebay Item has a picture of E train. I mistakenly listed it as P
train in my earlier post.

That one is indeed the E train rather than the P train....


However this one is the APT-P

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1723178814




Rob
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The bidding ended yesterday, however the page is visible for another few
days.

The Link is: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1725930732

Steve :)

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> That Ebay Item has a picture of E train. I mistakenly listed it as P
> train in my earlier post.
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Hi All & Kit


Now I can once again send to the group ( - still doesn't like my POP
mail)

I thought that one would get you going ! see http://www.apt-
p.com/APTPRepaintNews.htm for both that letter and the original story.

Has anyone seen any other mentions of the repaint in the press ? - if
so could they let me know (and have a copy / scan ?)


Thanks


Rob

www.apt-p.com

Here's a question for the experts. What if the E-train had gone into
production as a high speed passenger carrying tilting train using the
gas turbine motive power. Would this have been feasible had the
funding been available if the Class 91 and East coast electrification
not gone ahead.

Well of course E train was NEVER intened to enter service, it was
built just to test the various ideas and design for future APTs.

But, if they did think about it, the answer would have been NO, the
design of the train, sorry Kit, the inherently unstable tilt system,
the cost of building E train stock using the pot clad system, and
also the fact that E train did about 700 yards to the gallon of
fuel, remember there was an oil crisis at the time would mean that E
train would never make it into production.

Although the tilt system on E train was, and most likely still is
the highest proformance system on any tilting train, it suffers from
instability, P train during tilt failure due to its design is self
righing and is then locked into place. If both control lanes on E
train fail she just tips onto her bump stops 12 degrees hard over.

See : http://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/york1/index/apt14.htm

Im sure Kit will correct me on that one, but I think its correct.

At the end of it all, there is no way and E train design could ever
enter service.

Interesting question however.

Regards

Paul
APT-E Concservation & Support Group

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@y..., "troymackieoscar"
<troymackieoscar@y...> wrote:

> Here's a question for the experts. What if the E-train had gone

into

> production as a high speed passenger carrying tilting train using

the

> gas turbine motive power. Would this have been feasible had the
> funding been available if the Class 91 and East coast

electrification

> not gone ahead.

--- aarontaffera <aarontaffera@...> wrote: >
Go to Ebay and search by number for item 1725930732

> and you'll
> find "The Great Game of Britain" featuring P train
> on the box. Looks
> like the game pieces are the BR double arrow logo.
>

I have the 'Great Game of Britain', I think the
picture on the front is a print of `Into the 1980's'
commisioned by BR in the very late 70's. The game
pieces in my set, are just wooden ten-pin bowling type
people shapes. The two sets of game cards have the
double arrows on one set and the unicycling lion on
the other.

Laurie.

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Attachments :

Hi everyone

I have this programme in my collection - one of the more substantial and
better produced Open Day Programmes!

Attached is the APT-E entry from the programme.

Regards

Nick

PS - Webmasters are free to put it ony any appropriate website - just
give me a credit!

> Andy wrote:
>
> 36 page booklet produced for the open day at Reddish electric depot on
> 9th September 1973 mention is made of the prototype HST and APT.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2101002120&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:UK:1

Er, Troy or whoever you are <g>

>Here's a question for the experts. What if the E-train had gone into

production as a high speed passenger >carrying tilting train using the gas
turbine motive power. Would this have been feasible had the

>funding been available if the Class 91 and East coast electrification not

gone ahead.<

Posing What-Ifs is always fraught with difficulties. If you propose a
'production' E-Train are you also proposing that the 70s Fuel Crisis didn't
happen?

That's what caused the gas turbine traction system to be dropped, as the
fuel prices trebled almost overnight so the economics of a gas turbine
train went straight down the tubes. If that HADN'T happened one could
surmise that Rolls-Royce would have realised that GT trains could actually
be 'A Good Thing' and would have come up with a better alternative to the
10-off Leyland truck turbines we were stuck with after R-R said no to the
Dart proposal. A better alternative may have been the Tyne, or even a
multi-pack of helicopter engines, the Gem springs to mind, but either of
these systems would have needed lots of money to develop into a railway
traction unit.

There is no doubt a GT system offers lots of advantages, not the least
being light weight and small volume. notwithstanding the E-Train's anything
BUT light and space efficient usage! But with the fuel price situation as
it actually worked out I doubt there ever would have been a GT P-Train.

On my own front, the E-Train tilt system would not have been acceptable on
a service train, and the P-Train system would almost certainly have been
adopted whatever train went into service. This was because the E-Train
system wasn't stable and would fall over if the hydraulic pressure failed,
which it did on frequent occasions in the early days!

Regards
Kit

Hi All,
Im sorry to say that Prestel as from the 5th June 2002 will no
longer be an ISP and web based hosting company, they are moving onto
the Demon network and as such will only offer 20 meg of free
webspace to its users, the E train site at present is 220 megs.

I have contacted the NRM to see if they are able to help in the hope
of hosting the E train site on there servers which have plenty of
spare space.

I will place a notice on the E train site informing of this
impending doom, but with a little luck, all is not lost.

I will keep you informed, please pray.

Regards

Paul
APT-E Conservation & Support Group, NRM, York

Paul,

>But, if they did think about it, the answer would have been NO, the

design of the train, sorry Kit, the inherently >unstable tilt system, <

No need to apologise, I agree 100%.

>Although the tilt system on E train was, and most likely still is the

highest proformance system on any tilting >train, it suffers from
instability, P train during tilt failure due to its design is self
righing and is then locked into >place. If both control lanes on E train
fail she just tips onto her bump stops 12 degrees hard over.<

Very true, and the E-Train tilt system was designed to do just that in
order to push the performance to it's limits. With no self righting
geometry built in, we could tilt a lot faster for less power input. Of
course if it DID fail we'd be in the clag.....

On one occasion we had a Lane 1 failure in TC2 while waiting at Trent Jct.
Unfortunately, and unknown to anyone, Lane 2 had ALREADY failed, and the
trailer car went full tilt into it's bump stops! Rather off-putting to all
the instrumentation people who were trying to set up the amplifiers and
recorders for the next run. Needless to say, the Tilt Development crew went
into overdrive and we had it sorted in about 10 mins, but by then we'd lost
the path etc.

Right after that we fitted a warning to light on the panel to tell us if a
lane failed, whether in use or not!

>Im sure Kit will correct me on that one, but I think its correct.<

Right on Paul <g>

Regards
Kit

Crewe Guardian 9 May 2002 - includes the following two letters in
response to last weeks 'PLANT TREES'

www.apt-p.com/APTPRepaintNews.htm

Rob

PS - Did anyone else send a email to the paper (I know Kit did) - if
so could you forward a copy to me or the group ??





Be proud of ATP

I have just read the letter on the APT (Guardian May 2). What is this
guy on?
The APT was years ahead of its time and the ideas and technology
tried to drag Britain's railways out of the 19th Century.
We invented the tilting train and, as per normal, we didn't make the
most out of the expertise and skill of our engineers to get the APT
working 100 per cent and into full service.
Now we buy titling trains from abroad, all of which owe their
existance to APT technology.
It's a national shame that we scrapped the idea just when the trains
were proving themselves.
I founded the APT-E Conservation and Support group at the NRM 2 years
ago when most people thought that tilting trains would never be seen
here in this country, now look at us. We have the very first active
tilting train in the world and we should be proud of it.
The railway man who produced that letter should get his facts correct
before going on the offensive.
Long live the APT, the world's most advanced passenger train.

Paul Leadley
APT-E Conservation & Support Group, NRM, York



A key artefact
Re: Tilt Train is a waste of space. What a foolish, bitter comment.

The APT was potentially the greatest British engineering achievement
of that generation. Its failure had little to do with its technical
merits, rather lack of political and public will for it to succeed.
Had the APT project been seen through to completion it would remain
the mainline passenger train for much of the mainland.
The prototype APT is preserved in the National Railway Museum as a
key artefact, and as one of the finest, most innovative examples of
railway technology.
Without the progress the APT project made little of the current
technology being employed by Virgin would have been developed.

David Ford-Worth
via email

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Advanced-Passenger-Train group:

On the repainted APT-P powercar the
InterCityAPT logo should face the WCML
and the BNR logo face The Railway Age
but should we -

o Do it correctly
o InterCityAPT on both Sides
o Leave Blank


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Thanks!

url: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1730712034

However, another APT is been sold, this time with no images on the site, only the below description:

 

"Hornby APT Set. Excellent condition, and all there, although box a little faded. Even includes original catalogue and papers, and a 45rpm disk"

 

And it's going for UK£100 at http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1731333544

 

Regards

 

Steve Mosby

Hi everyone

Nice pic!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2104945554

Regards

Nick

Hi All,
Well the NRM, or more to say the NMSI cannot help hosting the E
train website. They cannot give me outside access to there servers
through there firwall, very odd!

Now the good news :
Softflare, the company who host the P train website has offered me
free unlimited webspace and a domain name.

I just waiting for DNS to do its stuff and for them to tell me what
domain they have managed to get me, suprise suprise, I wanted APT-
E.com, I did a dns lookup on the backbone router at LINUM and there
was no APT-E.com registered, so heres hoping.

I will post more in the next few days.

Regards

Paul
APT-E Conservation & Suuport Group

Hi All,
The new domain has been setup for the E train website, its url will
be : http://www.apt-e.org

Please note my new email address is Paul@...

The Pal@... account will cease on the 5th June so
please update your address books with my new email address.

Please book mark the new url, but at present please don't update any
links as the pages havent been uploaded yet.

Regards

Paul
APT-E Conservation & Support Group

Will the result of this poll 'officially' decide which logo(s) will
be applied to the power car?